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Received on 07/18/2010 from: Ejimerson
Subject: Your essay
comments: As I write this I can t help but wonder why.  I read your essay,  The Passion of the Rational Mind  and it is apparent I may as well be talking to a adamant Christian, in that they are frequently ready to argue to the end on their views, regardless of the points you present.  Perhaps I m writing this just to say thank you, as your views on Atheism support the thesis of an essay I myself am writing, but I doubt it since I cannot resist pointing out the fundamental flaw I find in your essay.  It is more likely I m just bored of writing that essay, and this provides me a moment of reprise before I continue my search for supporting material.
Your logic used to support your opinions in this essay are quite well articulated. I have no doubt you are an intelligent individual, and I have no intention of trying to insult that intelligence, but it remains that there is a serious problem with what you have wrote.  You have, at great length, wrote a paper arguing semantics to support your position.  You claim that the abuse of the definition of words is the major fallback point of a theist, and seem to imply this cheapens their views on the supernatural.  The problem I have here, as you may have already guessed, is that your essay is intended to do exactly the same thing.
As you yourself pointed out, the definition of words can be confusing, they include several meanings and sometimes even seem to conflict themselves.  But really this is irrelevant.  Language is used as a way to communicate with other people, not a way to create a circular argument like the one you have described in your essay over whether or not you  believe  in anything.  My point, in case you still question it, is that a word is only as good as the way it is commonly used.  You could certainly explain why your  belief  that you can cross the road is vastly different than their  belief  in god, but the fact is you do believe you can cross the road,  you do believe the sun will rise tomorrow, and they do believe in God.  Unfortunately, you do knot know that you can cross the road safely, or that the sun will rise tomorrow, as such things are impossible to know.  I understand there is a slew of evidence to support your beliefs, while there is virtually non to support theirs, but a belief you still hold.
Rather than arguing about whether or not you meet the criteria of the definition of the word belief you should be spending your time explaining to these individuals why it is actually completely irrelevant.  You base your beliefs on factual information, they base theirs on speculation, easy enough to me.  Instead you have resorted to the very methods you seem to lament, and tried to twist meanings of words like belief thought and faith to support your arguments.  
It is unfortunate but you, who considers themselves such a free thinker, have trapped yourself into the exact sort of closed thinking the  theist  you are supposed to be talking to in your paper uses to argue with you.  I feel you should probably reexamine your methods for making your point, as you are ultimately supporting the very thing your paper seems to be attempting to discredit.
It is doubtful to me that I will return to this website anytime soon, but still find myself interested in any response you might have to this comment.  I wrote my email in the field above my post.  If you wish to reply directly to me feel free to use that, otherwise have a good life my friend.

 
My response:
Hi,

So, basically you're saying that, in your opinion, I twisted the meanings of the words "believe" and "belief," something that I accuse theists of doing. And after I went to all that trouble discussing the definitions and usage and everything.

The whole point, if I recall, of arguing the semantics was my desire to offer a particular view of "belief" in an effort to help people understand where I'm coming from.

And your response is to just say, no, sorry, you DO believe stuff, whether you say you do or do not. Okay, you do not accept that there is a distinct difference between "believing" I can cross the road safely (why bother looking both ways?) and understanding how the world works and using facts and my brain, and being confident in my abilities. (But what of that one time I err and get hit? What of my "belief" then? Ooops.) And then in the same sentence (?) you equate that with believing IN god. I guess you didn't get my point at all.

Belief isn't just confidence. You can use the words interchangeably if you want; I certainly never said anyone had to use the words they way I say is best. But I choose to refrain from using belief, BECAUSE it confuses the argument with theists. I did not intend to "twist" the meanings to make myself win the argument, just to make it clear that where I find confidence and trust (also known in many circles as belief), the ideas, emotions, and logic associated with those words is not at all the same as belief in a god or santa or elves.

Granted, I wrote that essay a long time ago. I recall being snotty about it and goading the theists a bit. But I do not recall saying anything that would contradict what I said in the last paragraph. If I'm mistaken, please feel free to point it out.

If you're still bored with your article, I would like some help in understanding what you found so wrong with my thinking. So, if possible:
Could you please outline the circular argument I made?
Can you please explain in what way I have "trapped [my]self into the exact sort of closed thinking the theist [I am] supposed to be talking to in [my]paper uses to argue with [me]." (The words trapped and closed thinking being the main points that need explaining.)

**Further response not included in the email:
I wonder about people who say things like, I don't know why I'm bothering talking to you; it's clear you're just a closed-minded "whatever." And then, to tell me maybe you're writing to thank me, but no, actually you're not. And then say you're writing just because you're bored. And finally the obligatory: I won't bother reading your site anymore, but please respond to me anyway.

Gee thanks. (Did I ever put that unbelievable conversation I had with some wacko from facebook on this site....? I need to find out. Talk about bizarre. She started the "conversation" by telling me exactly how I would respond to her abuse. It was mind-bogglingly crazy. And all because she had some preconceived notions of Libertarians. And she was an atheist! You'd think she'd know what it's like to be judged by a label! God I hate stupid people.)

Anyway, was your attitude meant to set the tone of your email? The tone being: I deign to speak to you about your serious lack of brains. <breathe on nails, brush nails on coat>
 


 

Received 07/18/2010 from Jason McCoy
Subject: why?
comments: I read your response to the questions at the top of the page and i cant help but feel like it's a bit aggressive. you respond as though you took them quite personally, and i wonder how such benign questions, could elicit such an inflamed response from a truly self assured, self proclaimed atheist. I, like you, am irreligious. I, being the fortunate recipient of a genuine secular upbringing,  never believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ or the existence of God. Having the firm belief in a Godless universe, the questions posed seem as threatening as the suggestion of a divine teapot orbiting Saturn. clearly not enough to stir an insult regarding the questioners use of "y".
 
My response:
Well, I thought I explained why in my response. I was "frustrated" and I found the questions to be "stupid." Of course I took it personally. The questions were asked of me personally. I took them accusatorily as well, as that's generally how they're applied when I get them in person. The all caps JESUS LOVES U! was the first clue.

To be self-proclaimed is nothing. It just means I use a particular label. I often wonder why people use words like "self-proclaimed" and "self-avowed" when they talk about atheists, as if to be an atheist is something that few people should actually admit to. How often do we hear about self-proclaimed Christians? Or self-proclaimed Jews? Never. But self-proclaimed atheists, self-proclaimed Satanists, self-proclaimed vampires. It's as if the speaker is saying we aren't "really" atheists, because...come on; we just call ourselves atheists.

As to being self-assured, when did I ever say I was self-assured? Now, I suppose I'm certainly confident in atheism. I'm a rationalist, after all. But as a human? I don't know. I suffer most of the foibles of humanity everyone else does: envy, fear, anger, sadness. I get frustrated and hurt just like everyone else. I'm no "self-proclaimed" saint.

I don't have any "beliefs" regarding the universe. But if more than half the population genuinely believed there was a teapot orbiting Saturn and expected me to believe it too, and if I didn't, they thought something was wrong with me, and they continually asked me stupid questions about it, I'd get angry once in a while and snip at them.

I don't think you've read my site very long; if you did, you'd know that I get snippy.

As to the use of "y"...please. Some of us have grammatical standards. Some of us might be a tad self-righteous about grammar and spelling. Some of us, I dare say, are self-proclaimed grammarians! I didn't say anything about the subject: HIIIIIII. What the hell is that? And I didn't even mention the all-caps until you commented. So, I think was quite lenient.
 


 

Received 06/30/2010:
Subject: HIIIII  
comments: REMEMBER JESUS LOVES U!  
Got a few questions...
y r u so against God?
y do u hate His teachings?
Are His teaching bad?
have u ever believed in Jesus Christ?
If u have then y did u stop?
Did something bad in ur life happen and u blamed it on God?
And finally what is the point of this site?
 
PLZZ respond.. if u don't then i'll think u can't answer the questions
 
I'm a christian and
 
My response:
Jeeze it's frustrating to get such stupid comments. This is pretty much why I stopped talking to Christians in the first place. I'm really amazed at the comment that, if I don't respond, this person will think I can't answer these questions. But look at the questions he/she asked! It's not like they're hard or even take any research. <sigh> Maybe they're twelve or something.

Okay, first, I'm against god because the character of god in the bible is despicable and because when people believe in god they become stupid and ask really stupid questions of people who don't believe what they believe. I hate his bad teachings, like slaughtering entire tribes of people, except for the virgin girls, of course; or murdering a guy who only tried to steady the ark; or sending bears to maul young people to death for teasing some bald guy; or saying you should kill your family members if they don't believe what you do. And I really despise the whole Christian scenario in which this bi-polar, vengeful god creates mankind, tempts him into sinning, and then punishes him by sending him to an eternity of torment. How disgusting is that?

Yes, many of his teachings are bad. Yes, I have believed in Jesus. If you want to know why I stopped, buy my book and read it. But the short answer is this: I started THINKING.

No, nothing bad happened in my life to make me mad at your god.

The point of this site is self-expression, education, and enlightenment. Now, I have some questions for you:

What's your point in writing to me? And why don't you use full words? Do you know how to spell why, and are, and you?
Why don't you have enough intestinal fortitude to start thinking about what sort of evil creature you've been worshiping and why?

 

Received 06/15/2010 from: E.E. Laine
Subject: Praise God for Tattered Dreams
comments: Peace to you,
My heart and mind probably would have remained closed to Jesus Christ, too, if not for the massive stroke I had when 33. With Our Savior leading the way, God prompted me to write Praise God for Tattered Dreams. This memoir describes the role God plays in my ongoing recovery, and how He guides my post-stroke priorities.  
Praise God for Tattered Dreams can be purchased online at www.lulu.com.  
If you'd like a complimentary copy, please email me at laine2e@yahoo.com.
Blessings to you and yours,
E.E. Laine
My response:
I'd love to get a look at your brain scan, paying particular attention to the right temporal lobe...
As to the mind being closed to Jesus...one has to wonder just what it takes. For you, a massive stroke! Holy cow. What is Jesus' problem anyway? Why do you have to believe in him before you believe in him? Or worse, why do you have to suffer brain damage before he is real to you? It doesn't make sense--or, maybe it does.

 

Received 05/16/2010 from: Lindsey at http://www.bringingvoiceofreason.blogspot.com/
Subject: "see you at the pole"
Comments: I came across your site today, and my husband and I just can't read enough!!  It is so refreshing to read your views that I totally agree with, and you articulate it so well.  I have a blog as well, and thought you might find something I wrote last year, interesting.  It is as follows:
 
I did some research on the web to see if anyone was talking about this See You at the Poll rally, but I could not find a single site that had issue with this. So, maybe it s just me, but I feel a little offended. For those of you who are not familiar, See You at the Poll (SYATP) started in the early 90 s in a small town in Texas. Every third Wednesday in September across America, students, teachers, and parents gather around the flag poll of their school to pray for the new school year ahead. I remember attending SYATP as a jr. high and high school student, and maybe it was just my own experience and a different time, but it was very innocent. We would gather at the poll and pray to God not Jesus, Allah, or Buddha, but just a general termed God. Although this was more of Christian organized gathering, it seemed to be open to any, and all, walks of faith or non-faiths. It wasn t exclusive. It was a time you felt joined together with your peers and your leaders to share in the same spirit of love and harmony as you prayed/hoped for a peaceful year.
 
However, today it doesn t seem to be quite so sincere or innocent. Right Wing Politics and Christianity have become so intertwined, that you definitely feel the hidden agenda behind SYATP. It almost feels like more of a demonstration. I received a long e-mail from the PTO president at my son s school, inviting all Christian parents and students to attend SYATP this Wednesday to display  radical obedience  to Jesus.
 
 Are we desiring to see a mighty move of God on our children's schools? Are we pursuing God passionately? Are we serious about radical obedience? Are we determined to get rid of anything and everything that dishonors God and ready to challenge our friends to do the same?  Quote from the e-mail
 
This just feels like a right wing fundamentalist movement of finding a voice in numbers, weeding out those that don t believe the same, and to one day redefine public school. We already know that right wing fundamentalists want to establish prayer and (Christian) religious education in our public schools. This SYATP feels more and more like movement of bullies making a statement that  you must believe as I do, or you re simply not worthy and your voice doesn t count  all the while standing on tax payer property, holding hands in a circle around our nation s flag (in a display to intimidate all of those that do not think/believe the same) and to make others feel that America only belongs to the Christians. Coming across this scene as an  outsider  could make anybody feel as though their country were taken hostage. This would not be condoned by any other religious organization and definitely not by non-believers .do you see the double standard? What ever happened to  Do unto others as you would have done unto you ?
 
Received 05/19/2010 from Lindsey
Subject: Your thoughts on Christianity as America's foundation
Comment: I would love to read your thoughts and such to the fundamentalist saying that America was founded on Christianity!  You do such a great job of explaining things with your wealth of knowledge!


 

Received 04/02/2010 from: David
Subject: glad your still here
comments: When I finally realized I was full blown atheist a few years ago, Atheist View was the first book I read and I loved every word.  I have since lent it to a friend with the understanding that she pass it on to another indvidual in need of enlightening.  I appreciate all you do for you express yourself so much better than I.  
Received 04/02/2010 from: David
Subject: a V8 slap to my forehead
comments: I feel like a dope!  I did read your book and I can't believe I totally blew the title in my first comment.  It's been a while sinced I read it, and now that I'm in my mid 40's I find the CRS disease getting worse! (Can't Remember Shit). Please forgive my mistake, and keep up the good work! 
My response (via email):
David,
Thanks for the wonderful compliment!
I suffer from CRS too. I thought my mom made that disease up. :) In person, I say "thingie" a lot because I can't remember any words. My family has managed to learn my thingie language.


 

Received 03/16/2010 from: Sara
Subject: Thanks!
comments: Hi there,
I just wanted to say thanks for listing homeschooling websites and such that aren't steeped in ultra-religious sentiments.  My husband and I went to the homeschooling conference last year in Orlando for the 1st time (we live in Winter Park) to start seeing what our options were and I was surprised at the large # of christian based homeschooling vendors.  It's nice to know that there are other parents out there who just want to teach their children to the best of their ability the subjects of math, science (wonder how this worked out since religion and science always seem to be at each others throats), spelling, language, etc. without Jesus or God needing to be a part of the picture.
 

 

My continuing dialogue with nj
Received from: nj 03/11/2010

comments:
"You haven't answered the question at all. WHY? Why would a god who loves his/her creation put CURSES on children for something someone ELSE did? That's disgusting. And if you were HEALED, NJ, why won't your god heal babies dying of cancer? Why won't he save little girls from being abducted, raped, and murdered? Why YOU?"
 
Ok, here is the thing. God sets up laws from the very beginning. From the start of the bible in Gen. Now going by that here is an example for you: If you speed and get caught the law states you will be fined. So just beause i dont belive in that law does it not exist? will i not get punished for it? most likely the cop is going to say "to bad nj your still getting a ticket even though you do not belive in the laws" That is how God works. He is the creator, He set up laws. the punishments are different but clear. for speeding, you get a ticket. for breaking God's laws different punishments come. I asked for healing, realised Jesus died for our sins, eniquitys, and to lead us. JESUS IS our exapmle. He DID lead by example.

My response:
Why would a loving, father-figure, god who cares about his creation allow little children to be raped and murdered? Why does he allow little children to die slow, agonizing deaths from cancer?

Your answer is that he made a law? What do little children do to break a law for which the punishment is torture, murder, and agonizing, painful death?

What kind of a god do you worship, nj?

Yes, I get a ticket if I speed. I don't get beaten, raped, and murdered!

Received from: nj 03/11/2010

comments:
Your wrote: "As to your more important comment, I do not fight hard to prove something does not exist. And I do not have to prove gods don't exist. I'm just expressing myself, my frustration with religion, with stupidity, and with sloppy writing skills. I don't really care what you or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try to tell me and other people that it's factual, or even sensible.  
There's nothing at all wrong with fighting for reason, clarity, logic, truth, and honesty. Nothing wrong with that at all.   
As to the second part of your comment: It matters because there are really stupid people in the world trying to control the freedoms of people who don't believe what they believe. There are Muslims murdering women because they don't live by a ridiculous religious code. There are people in government thwarting the rights of freethinkers and attempting to impose a Christian theocracy on us.  
Those things are worth ranting about, and fighting against.
"
 
 
Here is MY view. you CANT PROVE that it did not happen, yet all the places, and most of the people INCLUDING Jesus can be proved by looking at roman history that historians perserved. So by YOUR words, "I don't really care what you or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try to tell me and other people that it's factual, or even sensible." you should not be telling people that there is no god. Because you can not prove it, it is not factual or sensible. IF it is sensible, then why in the heck do i some how pray to nothing and get healed? why do i pray to God (if he did not exist) and a miricale happen. Just the other day i did not know how my rent was getting paid, i was a few days over due, and i cried out to God. His word said in Matthew, HE will provide or needs. I challenged God, and he provided! My rent was paid in full! Another mirical, my daughter was told she was going to have a terrible sickness for at least 6 months WITH treatment. It was causing her not to breath right. and she was a little baby of 5 months at the time. My husband and i prayed and prayed, our friends prayed and annointed her for GOD. In THREE days she was healed with out any medication. She no longer had the sickness. That can be proven with 2 different doctors. (because one reexamined her not believing she was healed) Now if there was not a God why did those things happen? God says seeks and you will find. When you seek him you will find him.
 
Deuteronomy 4:29 (New International Version)
29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.
 
Luke 12:28
28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! 29And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well. ( this one says seek him and all other things will be given to you. rent was needed and we asked God, he provided)

My response:
1. There is no evidence of the existence of Jesus. None. Zip. Nada. EVERYONE (including the people in the Bible) who wrote about Jesus, wrote about him AFTER he supposedly DIED. Not one single historian or writer who lived DURING JESUS' time wrote anything about him. There is no evidence of his existence. You need to educate yourself on this matter.

2. The Civil War happened. Atlanta exists. Slavery existed. Robert E. Lee and Sherman existed. But that doesn't mean that Scarlet O'Hara existed and married Rhett Butler and lived in a mansion in Atlanta.

3. I do not have to prove to you that Scarlet O'Hara is NOT real. You would have to prove to me that she did indeed exist and everything in the book, Gone with the Wind is fact, not fiction, if you were gullible enough to believe such a thing.

4. Millions of people pray every day for their loved ones to be healed. And their loved ones DIE. You don't think the families of the children abducted, raped and murdered were praying to you god to bring them home safe???
So, if yours didn't die, and if your rent got paid, it's a coincidence. If prayer really worked (like it says it does in the Bible) it would work for EVERYBODY EVERY TIME.

5. You just keep NOT worrying about it, then. Stop going to work. Why bother? God will provide the money for your rent and the health care for your children. And don't bother taking them to the doctor, either. God will diagnose and heal them.

6. And if the rent does not get paid and your child gets sicker and sicker, well, then, you can say, "sometimes the answer is no."

Please think a little more. I don't have time or patience to argue with nonsense.

 

Received from: nj
Subject: come on, seriously?????

comments: "Those of us with hearts would have some serious questions for the big guy, too. Why do you let little children suffer and die? Why do you let your fans condemn anyone who doesn't act the way they think they should? Do you really hate homosexuality? If so, why are humans and other animals even capable of it? Are you really seriously trying to tell us that there's this OTHER god called Satan who is SO powerful he could corrupt your beloved creation and you just let it happen?"
 
Ok to start with, it is called generational curses. IF YOU want to know more about the our religion and God then the one you claim does not exist then please start researching! Dig deep! Maybe then you will find the answers to your questions. If it calls for to much work for you to go out of you way to prove that God does not exist then i guess you really dont mean it. Other wise what effort are you doing other then spouting questions that can be answered in our religion? 
 
The children were effected by a generational curse. (something i suffered from but was healed.) In our Bible, Jesus saw a blind man from birth and his followers asked what he or his parents do that caused him to be blind. When Jesus said niether they did not understand. So why children suffer it is because generational curses can be placed on the family up to 7 generations down, also blessings can be placed on the family for the generations. (mine happened to be anger, skin sores, sexual immorality, and lying.) When you do such things then your children see them and it is passed even futher since they have commited the crime. 
 
"Why do you let your fans condemn anyone who doesn't act the way they think they should? Do you really hate homosexuality? If so, why are humans and other animals even capable of it?" 
 
It is called human will. God gave each and every one us a human brain. He let us think for our selves. Here is a question for you....i dont know if you have kids or if you even want them...but if you do/want kids would you want them to get up every morning and cook you breakfast because you demanded it for love? or would you apperciate and love it more when they did it out of there own free will? That is why God gave us a mind to think. He wanted us to follow him on our own not force us.

 
Come on, NJ, seriously???????

You haven't answered the question at all. WHY? Why would a god who loves his/her creation put CURSES on children for something someone ELSE did? That's disgusting. And if you were HEALED, NJ, why won't your god heal babies dying of cancer? Why won't he save little girls from being abducted, raped, and murdered? Why YOU?

I wouldn't command my children to cook me breakfast. They're CHILDREN and shouldn't use the stove. (Okay, I admit that mine are grown now, but I'm trying to show the analogy between what humans must be like compared to an all-knowing supreme being.) And then again, I wouldn't put curses on my children for something their great, great, great grandfather did, or let them be murdered when I could stop it.

If God wants us to follow him, perhaps he should lead BY EXAMPLE!

Received 02/24/2010 from: nj
Subject: About that

comments: "That's the whole point, people! If you have to believe it, something fishy is going on. And rationalists will always choose to refrain from "belief." We either know it, through hard, cold, ruthlessly objective FACTS, or we don't know. But we certainly won't believe it just because some other people (especially other people who wrote ages ago) said it."
 
Last time i checked some one had to "believe" that the light will turn on when you flicked the switch. Because it is not possible that the light will be blown out? So how is that fact? 
 
Define FACT:
Information that has been objectively verified.
www.teaching.state.pa.us/a_and_t/lib/a_and_t/Science_Glossary.doc
 
So by that definition you KNOW, because you verified, that the light WILL turn on because you flicked the switch. There is NO possible way that the bulb could be blown out or for some strange reason is does not work. 
 
Do tell me...Why in the world do you fight so hard to prove some thing that does not exist? If it does not exist what does it matter?
 
i look forward to your response
:
Huh?
I don't have to "believe" that the light will turn on when I flip the switch. In fact, I don't believe it. Plenty of times it doesn't come on and I have to figure out if the bulb is burnt out, or maybe there's a switch turned off so the lamp won't come on. But I "expect" the light to come on because I know how lights and electricity work and from a LOT of EXPERIENCE in turning lights on and off.

I really have no clue what you're saying about "someone having to believe" the light would turn on. What does that mean? What does this mean: "Because it is not possible that the light will be blown out?" Can you please explain exactly what you're trying to say?

What does the definition of "fact" have to do with my expectations of a light turning on when I flip the switch?

As to your more important comment, I do not fight hard to prove something does not exist. And I do not have to prove gods don't exist. I'm just expressing myself, my frustration with religion, with stupidity, and with sloppy writing skills. I don't really care what you or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try to tell me and other people that it's factual, or even sensible.

There's nothing at all wrong with fighting for reason, clarity, logic, truth, and honesty. Nothing wrong with that at all.

As to the second part of your comment: It matters because there are really stupid people in the world trying to control the freedoms of people who don't believe what they believe. There are Muslims murdering women because they don't live by a ridiculous religious code. There are people in government thwarting the rights of freethinkers and attempting to impose a Christian theocracy on us.

Those things are worth ranting about, and fighting against.

Received 02/24/2010 from: Jessica
Subject: Not a christian? WELCOME! Christians come be challenged!

comments: Here is a point to ponder.....IF the people (christians) claim there was a man named Jesus and his teachings were false then why did so many of his followers die? Looking at history and ONLY history (because even historians will say) that the claimed "apostles" died for believing in this man. Most of them were even totured. I believe even the one named "John" was the one who hung up side down on the cross because he felt unworthy of dieing the same way then his messiah. SO here is my question to all.....Would YOU lie about something and PURPOSEFULLY be tortured for it? for instance, say you claimed the sky was purple. would you still defend your point if you were cut on your arms, legs, and other bodly memebers, as well as beat, thrown out into the streets and shamed for it? Now i can under stand if this was one man (heck there are many a lunitics out there) but for so many to agree upon one man and still go threw that? I wish to inquire more information as i do my research so i welcome ALL points of view.
 
thank you for time
sincerly 
Jessica
Jessica,
Thank you for your interesting comments.
1. The Bible is not a history book. So, looking at ONLY history, we can't say whether or not these so-called apostles existed, much less died in the way the stories claim.
2. Supposing the stories are true, who ever said that the followers of Jesus knew his teachings were false? No. Clearly these people truly believed what they believed and believed it so wholeheartedly they were willing to die for their freedom to believe it and preach it. Did the woman who murdered her children because she thought she was saving them from Satan and sending them to heaven know she was deluded? No! People will do all sorts of things because they "believe" something is true.
3. This makes your question "to all" a straw man. It has nothing to do with believing something and dying for it.
Received 02/17/2010 from: Marci
Subject: Another secular curriculum resource
comments: Great web site!
Just wanted to add another resource to your list of REAL secular curriculum.  I've been using Intellego Unit Studies for the past 8 months.  They offer both a unit study aproach as well as core curriculum based on the Core Knowledge Series by E.D. Hirsch.  Rigorous, fun, hands-on, and not dumbed down by any means!  They are web based and all of the links are maintained so they remain active.  It's been great for my kids because Intellego links to videos, online games, interactive web sites, as well as reading, writing and discussion and hands-on experiments and projects.  And clearly secular -- world history units teach evolution, that sort of approach. 
 
Received 02/08/2010 from paco:
Subject: wrong
Listen the power of prayer is strong just because people prayed for the cell phone dosent mean they also cant pray for hati it dosent say in the bible thou shall pray for one thing...No it says trust in God and he will bless you...And if he dosent answer a prayer it just means you dont need whatever you asked for in your life...Like i said god will bless you if you believe in him...A blessing is a helping hand not a take everything and do nothing gift..
So, you're saying that the girl who prayed to God for protection at Columbine just before that kid blew her brains out didn't need saving? God blesses you if you believe in him? Right. He blesses you while the rapist/murderer tortures you to death. He blesses the little children while their step-dads are dunking their heads in the toilet. Right. I get it.
Recieved 02/08/2010 from Kaya:
Subject: thank god! lol
I thought is was just me! why I am having such a hard time swapping books with my fellow home-schoolers? The last straw happened when I read a hippies were like satanist in one of the book I bought. I was in shock! So I began my search for like minded home school moms. 
Thanks for creating this site.
I'm glad you found me!

 

Received 02/07/2010 from anonymous: the bible says to pray about everything no matter how little but remember to be open to God's answer whether it is yes no or wait :)
I'm not sure but I think this comment may refer to my posts about my friend's cell phone. I guess the answer was no. (see blog) I added a subject line to the form in the hopes that future comments will be more clear.