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Received on 07/18/2010 from: Ejimerson
Subject: Your essay
comments: As I write this I can t help but wonder why. I read your
essay, The Passion of the Rational Mind and it is apparent I may as
well be talking to a adamant Christian, in that they are frequently
ready to argue to the end on their views, regardless of the points you
present. Perhaps I m writing this just to say thank you, as your views
on Atheism support the thesis of an essay I myself am writing, but I
doubt it since I cannot resist pointing out the fundamental flaw I find
in your essay. It is more likely I m just bored of writing that essay,
and this provides me a moment of reprise before I continue my search for
supporting material.
Your logic used to support your opinions in this essay are quite well
articulated. I have no doubt you are an intelligent individual, and I
have no intention of trying to insult that intelligence, but it remains
that there is a serious problem with what you have wrote. You have, at
great length, wrote a paper arguing semantics to support your position.
You claim that the abuse of the definition of words is the major
fallback point of a theist, and seem to imply this cheapens their views
on the supernatural. The problem I have here, as you may have already
guessed, is that your essay is intended to do exactly the same thing.
As you yourself pointed out, the definition of words can be confusing,
they include several meanings and sometimes even seem to conflict
themselves. But really this is irrelevant. Language is used as a way
to communicate with other people, not a way to create a circular
argument like the one you have described in your essay over whether or
not you believe in anything. My point, in case you still question it,
is that a word is only as good as the way it is commonly used. You
could certainly explain why your belief that you can cross the road is
vastly different than their belief in god, but the fact is you do
believe you can cross the road, you do believe the sun will rise
tomorrow, and they do believe in God. Unfortunately, you do knot know
that you can cross the road safely, or that the sun will rise tomorrow,
as such things are impossible to know. I understand there is a slew of
evidence to support your beliefs, while there is virtually non to
support theirs, but a belief you still hold.
Rather than arguing about whether or not you meet the criteria of the
definition of the word belief you should be spending your time
explaining to these individuals why it is actually completely
irrelevant. You base your beliefs on factual information, they base
theirs on speculation, easy enough to me. Instead you have resorted to
the very methods you seem to lament, and tried to twist meanings of
words like belief thought and faith to support your arguments.
It is unfortunate but you, who considers themselves such a free thinker,
have trapped yourself into the exact sort of closed thinking the
theist you are supposed to be talking to in your paper uses to argue
with you. I feel you should probably reexamine your methods for making
your point, as you are ultimately supporting the very thing your paper
seems to be attempting to discredit.
It is doubtful to me that I will return to this website anytime soon,
but still find myself interested in any response you might have to this
comment. I wrote my email in the field above my post. If you wish to
reply directly to me feel free to use that, otherwise have a good life
my friend.
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My response:
Hi,
So, basically you're saying that, in your opinion, I twisted the
meanings of the words "believe" and "belief," something that I accuse
theists of doing. And after I went to all that trouble discussing the
definitions and usage and everything.
The whole point, if I recall, of arguing the semantics was my desire to
offer a particular view of "belief" in an effort to help people
understand where I'm coming from.
And your response is to just say, no, sorry, you DO believe stuff,
whether you say you do or do not. Okay, you do not accept that there is
a distinct difference between "believing" I can cross the road safely
(why bother looking both ways?) and understanding how the world works
and using facts and my brain, and being confident in my abilities. (But
what of that one time I err and get hit? What of my "belief" then? Ooops.)
And then in the same sentence (?) you equate that with believing IN god.
I guess you didn't get my point at all.
Belief isn't just confidence. You can use the words interchangeably if
you want; I certainly never said anyone had to use the words they way I
say is best. But I choose to refrain from using belief, BECAUSE it
confuses the argument with theists. I did not intend to "twist" the
meanings to make myself win the argument, just to make it clear that
where I find confidence and trust (also known in many circles as
belief), the ideas, emotions, and logic associated with those words is
not at all the same as belief in a god or santa or elves.
Granted, I wrote that essay a long time ago. I recall being snotty about
it and goading the theists a bit. But I do not recall saying anything
that would contradict what I said in the last paragraph. If I'm
mistaken, please feel free to point it out.
If you're still bored with your article, I would like some help in
understanding what you found so wrong with my thinking. So, if possible:
Could you please outline the circular argument I made?
Can you please explain in what way I have "trapped [my]self into the
exact sort of closed thinking the theist [I am] supposed to be talking
to in [my]paper uses to argue with [me]." (The words trapped and closed
thinking being the main points that need explaining.)**Further
response not included in the email:
I wonder about people who say things like, I don't know why I'm
bothering talking to you; it's clear you're just a closed-minded
"whatever." And then, to tell me maybe you're writing to thank me, but
no, actually you're not. And then say you're writing just because you're
bored. And finally the obligatory: I won't bother reading your site
anymore, but please respond to me anyway.
Gee thanks. (Did I ever put that unbelievable conversation I had with
some wacko from facebook on this site....? I need to find out. Talk
about bizarre. She started the "conversation" by telling me exactly how
I would respond to her abuse. It was mind-bogglingly crazy. And all
because she had some preconceived notions of Libertarians. And she was
an atheist! You'd think she'd know what it's like to be judged by a
label! God I hate stupid people.)
Anyway, was your attitude meant to set the tone of your email? The
tone being: I deign to speak to you about your serious lack of brains.
<breathe on nails, brush nails on coat>
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Received 07/18/2010 from Jason McCoy
Subject: why?
comments: I read your response to the questions at the top of the page
and i cant help but feel like it's a bit aggressive. you respond as
though you took them quite personally, and i wonder how such benign
questions, could elicit such an inflamed response from a truly self
assured, self proclaimed atheist. I, like you, am irreligious. I, being
the fortunate recipient of a genuine secular upbringing, never believed
in the divinity of Jesus Christ or the existence of God. Having the firm
belief in a Godless universe, the questions posed seem as threatening as
the suggestion of a divine teapot orbiting Saturn. clearly not enough to
stir an insult regarding the questioners use of "y".
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My response:
Well, I thought I explained why in my response. I was "frustrated" and I
found the questions to be "stupid." Of course I took it personally. The
questions were asked of me personally. I took them accusatorily as well,
as that's generally how they're applied when I get them in person. The
all caps JESUS LOVES U! was the first clue.To be self-proclaimed is
nothing. It just means I use a particular label. I often wonder why
people use words like "self-proclaimed" and "self-avowed" when they talk
about atheists, as if to be an atheist is something that few people
should actually admit to. How often do we hear about self-proclaimed
Christians? Or self-proclaimed Jews? Never. But self-proclaimed
atheists, self-proclaimed Satanists, self-proclaimed vampires. It's as
if the speaker is saying we aren't "really" atheists, because...come on;
we just call ourselves atheists.
As to being self-assured, when did I ever say I was self-assured?
Now, I suppose I'm certainly confident in atheism. I'm a rationalist,
after all. But as a human? I don't know. I suffer most of the foibles of
humanity everyone else does: envy, fear, anger, sadness. I get
frustrated and hurt just like everyone else. I'm no "self-proclaimed"
saint.
I don't have any "beliefs" regarding the universe. But if more than
half the population genuinely believed there was a teapot orbiting
Saturn and expected me to believe it too, and if I didn't, they thought
something was wrong with me, and they continually asked me stupid
questions about it, I'd get angry once in a while and snip at them.
I don't think you've read my site very long; if you did, you'd know
that I get snippy.
As to the use of "y"...please. Some of us have grammatical standards.
Some of us might be a tad self-righteous about grammar and spelling.
Some of us, I dare say, are self-proclaimed grammarians! I didn't say
anything about the subject: HIIIIIII. What the hell is that? And I
didn't even mention the all-caps until you commented. So, I think was
quite lenient.
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Received 06/30/2010:
Subject: HIIIII
comments: REMEMBER JESUS LOVES U!
Got a few questions...
y r u so against God?
y do u hate His teachings?
Are His teaching bad?
have u ever believed in Jesus Christ?
If u have then y did u stop?
Did something bad in ur life happen and u blamed it on God?
And finally what is the point of this site?
PLZZ respond.. if u don't then i'll think u can't answer the questions
I'm a christian and
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My response:
Jeeze it's frustrating to get such stupid comments. This is pretty much
why I stopped talking to Christians in the first place. I'm really
amazed at the comment that, if I don't respond, this person will think I
can't answer these questions. But look at the questions he/she asked!
It's not like they're hard or even take any research. <sigh> Maybe
they're twelve or something.Okay, first, I'm against god because the
character of god in the bible is despicable and because when people
believe in god they become stupid and ask really stupid questions of
people who don't believe what they believe. I hate his bad teachings,
like slaughtering entire tribes of people, except for the virgin girls,
of course; or murdering a guy who only tried to steady the ark; or
sending bears to maul young people to death for teasing some bald guy;
or saying you should kill your family members if they don't believe what
you do. And I really despise the whole Christian scenario in which this
bi-polar, vengeful god creates mankind, tempts him into sinning, and
then punishes him by sending him to an eternity of torment. How
disgusting is that?
Yes, many of his teachings are bad. Yes, I have believed in Jesus. If
you want to know why I stopped, buy my book and read it. But the short
answer is this: I started THINKING.
No, nothing bad happened in my life to make me mad at your god.
The point of this site is self-expression, education, and
enlightenment. Now, I have some questions for you:
What's your point in writing to me? And why don't you use full words?
Do you know how to spell why, and are, and you?
Why don't you have enough intestinal fortitude to start thinking about
what sort of evil creature you've been worshiping and why? |
Received 06/15/2010 from: E.E. Laine
Subject: Praise God for Tattered Dreams
comments: Peace to you,
My heart and mind probably would have remained closed to Jesus Christ,
too, if not for the massive stroke I had when 33. With Our Savior
leading the way, God prompted me to write Praise God for Tattered
Dreams. This memoir describes the role God plays in my ongoing recovery,
and how He guides my post-stroke priorities.
Praise God for Tattered Dreams can be purchased online at
www.lulu.com.
If you'd like a complimentary copy, please email me at
laine2e@yahoo.com.
Blessings to you and yours,
E.E. Laine |
My response:
I'd love to get a look at your brain scan, paying particular attention
to the right temporal lobe...
As to the mind being closed to Jesus...one has to wonder just what it
takes. For you, a massive stroke! Holy cow. What is Jesus' problem
anyway? Why do you have to believe in him before you believe in him? Or
worse, why do you have to suffer brain damage before he is real to you?
It doesn't make sense--or, maybe it does. |
Received 05/16/2010 from: Lindsey at
http://www.bringingvoiceofreason.blogspot.com/
Subject: "see you at the pole"
Comments: I came across your site today, and my husband and I just can't
read enough!! It is so refreshing to read your views that I totally
agree with, and you articulate it so well. I have a blog as well, and
thought you might find something I wrote last year, interesting. It is
as follows:
I did some research on the web to see if anyone was talking about this
See You at the Poll rally, but I could not find a single site that had
issue with this. So, maybe it s just me, but I feel a little offended.
For those of you who are not familiar, See You at the Poll (SYATP)
started in the early 90 s in a small town in Texas. Every third
Wednesday in September across America, students, teachers, and parents
gather around the flag poll of their school to pray for the new school
year ahead. I remember attending SYATP as a jr. high and high school
student, and maybe it was just my own experience and a different time,
but it was very innocent. We would gather at the poll and pray to God
not Jesus, Allah, or Buddha, but just a general termed God. Although
this was more of Christian organized gathering, it seemed to be open to
any, and all, walks of faith or non-faiths. It wasn t exclusive. It was
a time you felt joined together with your peers and your leaders to
share in the same spirit of love and harmony as you prayed/hoped for a
peaceful year.
However, today it doesn t seem to be quite so sincere or innocent. Right
Wing Politics and Christianity have become so intertwined, that you
definitely feel the hidden agenda behind SYATP. It almost feels like
more of a demonstration. I received a long e-mail from the PTO president
at my son s school, inviting all Christian parents and students to
attend SYATP this Wednesday to display radical obedience to Jesus.
Are we desiring to see a mighty move of God on our children's schools?
Are we pursuing God passionately? Are we serious about radical
obedience? Are we determined to get rid of anything and everything that
dishonors God and ready to challenge our friends to do the same? Quote
from the e-mail
This just feels like a right wing fundamentalist movement of finding a
voice in numbers, weeding out those that don t believe the same, and to
one day redefine public school. We already know that right wing
fundamentalists want to establish prayer and (Christian) religious
education in our public schools. This SYATP feels more and more like
movement of bullies making a statement that you must believe as I do,
or you re simply not worthy and your voice doesn t count all the while
standing on tax payer property, holding hands in a circle around our
nation s flag (in a display to intimidate all of those that do not
think/believe the same) and to make others feel that America only
belongs to the Christians. Coming across this scene as an outsider
could make anybody feel as though their country were taken hostage. This
would not be condoned by any other religious organization and definitely
not by non-believers .do you see the double standard? What ever happened
to Do unto others as you would have done unto you ?
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Received 05/19/2010 from Lindsey
Subject: Your thoughts on Christianity as America's foundation
Comment: I would love to read your thoughts and such to the
fundamentalist saying that America was founded on Christianity! You do
such a great job of explaining things with your wealth of knowledge! |
Received 04/02/2010 from: David
Subject: glad your still here
comments: When I finally realized I was full blown atheist a few years
ago, Atheist View was the first book I read and I loved every word. I
have since lent it to a friend with the understanding that she pass it
on to another indvidual in need of enlightening. I appreciate all you
do for you express yourself so much better than I. |
Received 04/02/2010 from: David
Subject: a V8 slap to my forehead
comments: I feel like a dope! I did read your book and I can't believe
I totally blew the title in my first comment. It's been a while sinced
I read it, and now that I'm in my mid 40's I find the CRS disease
getting worse! (Can't Remember Shit). Please forgive my mistake, and
keep up the good work! |
My response (via email):
David,
Thanks for the wonderful compliment!
I suffer from CRS too. I thought my mom made that disease up. :) In
person, I say "thingie" a lot because I can't remember any words. My
family has managed to learn my thingie language. |
Received 03/16/2010 from: Sara
Subject: Thanks!
comments: Hi there,
I just wanted to say thanks for listing homeschooling websites and such
that aren't steeped in ultra-religious sentiments. My husband and I
went to the homeschooling conference last year in Orlando for the 1st
time (we live in Winter Park) to start seeing what our options were and
I was surprised at the large # of christian based homeschooling
vendors. It's nice to know that there are other parents out there who
just want to teach their children to the best of their ability the
subjects of math, science (wonder how this worked out since religion and
science always seem to be at each others throats), spelling, language,
etc. without Jesus or God needing to be a part of the picture.
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My continuing dialogue with nj
Received from: nj 03/11/2010comments:
"You haven't answered the question at all. WHY? Why would a god who
loves his/her creation put CURSES on children for something someone ELSE
did? That's disgusting. And if you were HEALED, NJ, why won't your god
heal babies dying of cancer? Why won't he save little girls from being
abducted, raped, and murdered? Why YOU?"
Ok, here is the thing. God sets up laws from the very beginning. From
the start of the bible in Gen. Now going by that here is an example for
you: If you speed and get caught the law states you will be fined. So
just beause i dont belive in that law does it not exist? will i not get
punished for it? most likely the cop is going to say "to bad nj your
still getting a ticket even though you do not belive in the laws" That
is how God works. He is the creator, He set up laws. the punishments are
different but clear. for speeding, you get a ticket. for breaking God's
laws different punishments come. I asked for healing, realised Jesus
died for our sins, eniquitys, and to lead us. JESUS IS our exapmle. He
DID lead by example. |
My response:
Why would a loving, father-figure, god who cares about his creation
allow little children to be raped and murdered? Why does
he allow little children to die slow, agonizing deaths from cancer?
Your answer is that he made a law? What do little children do to
break a law for which the punishment is torture, murder, and
agonizing, painful death?
What kind of a god do you worship, nj?
Yes, I get a ticket if I speed. I don't get beaten, raped, and
murdered! |
| Received from: nj 03/11/2010 comments:
Your wrote: "As to your more important comment, I do not fight hard
to prove something does not exist. And I do not have to prove gods don't
exist. I'm just expressing myself, my frustration with religion, with
stupidity, and with sloppy writing skills. I don't really care what you
or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try to tell me and other
people that it's factual, or even sensible.
There's nothing at all wrong with fighting for reason, clarity, logic,
truth, and honesty. Nothing wrong with that at all.
As to the second part of your comment: It matters because there are
really stupid people in the world trying to control the freedoms of
people who don't believe what they believe. There are Muslims murdering
women because they don't live by a ridiculous religious code. There are
people in government thwarting the rights of freethinkers and attempting
to impose a Christian theocracy on us.
Those things are worth ranting about, and fighting against."
Here is MY view. you CANT PROVE that it did not happen, yet all the
places, and most of the people INCLUDING Jesus can be proved by looking
at roman history that historians perserved. So by YOUR words, "I don't
really care what you or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try
to tell me and other people that it's factual, or even sensible." you
should not be telling people that there is no god. Because you can not
prove it, it is not factual or sensible. IF it is sensible, then why in
the heck do i some how pray to nothing and get healed? why do i pray to
God (if he did not exist) and a miricale happen. Just the other day i
did not know how my rent was getting paid, i was a few days over due,
and i cried out to God. His word said in Matthew, HE will provide or
needs. I challenged God, and he provided! My rent was paid in full!
Another mirical, my daughter was told she was going to have a terrible
sickness for at least 6 months WITH treatment. It was causing her not to
breath right. and she was a little baby of 5 months at the time. My
husband and i prayed and prayed, our friends prayed and annointed her
for GOD. In THREE days she was healed with out any medication. She no
longer had the sickness. That can be proven with 2 different doctors.
(because one reexamined her not believing she was healed) Now if there
was not a God why did those things happen? God says seeks and you will
find. When you seek him you will find him.
Deuteronomy 4:29 (New International Version)
29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if
you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Luke 12:28
28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here
today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he
clothe you, O you of little faith! 29And do not set your heart on what
you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30For the pagan world runs
after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31But
seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well. ( this
one says seek him and all other things will be given to you. rent was
needed and we asked God, he provided) |
My response:
1. There is no evidence of the existence of Jesus. None. Zip. Nada.
EVERYONE (including the people in the Bible) who wrote about Jesus,
wrote about him AFTER he supposedly DIED. Not one single historian or
writer who lived DURING JESUS' time wrote anything about him. There is
no evidence of his existence. You need to educate yourself on this
matter.2. The Civil War happened. Atlanta exists. Slavery
existed. Robert E. Lee and Sherman existed. But that doesn't mean that
Scarlet O'Hara existed and married Rhett Butler and lived in a mansion
in Atlanta.
3. I do not have to prove to you that Scarlet O'Hara is NOT real.
You would have to prove to me that she did indeed exist and everything
in the book, Gone with the Wind is fact, not fiction, if you were
gullible enough to believe such a thing.
4. Millions of people pray every day for their loved ones to be
healed. And their loved ones DIE. You don't think the families of the
children abducted, raped and murdered were praying to you god to bring
them home safe???
So, if yours didn't die, and if your rent got paid, it's a coincidence.
If prayer really worked (like it says it does in the Bible) it would
work for EVERYBODY EVERY TIME.
5. You just keep NOT worrying about it, then. Stop going to work.
Why bother? God will provide the money for your rent and the health care
for your children. And don't bother taking them to the doctor, either.
God will diagnose and heal them.
6. And if the rent does not get paid and your child gets sicker
and sicker, well, then, you can say, "sometimes the answer is no."
Please think a little more. I don't have time or patience to argue
with nonsense. |
Received from: nj
Subject: come on, seriously?????
comments: "Those of us with hearts would have some serious questions for
the big guy, too. Why do you let little children suffer and die? Why do
you let your fans condemn anyone who doesn't act the way they think they
should? Do you really hate homosexuality? If so, why are humans and
other animals even capable of it? Are you really seriously trying to
tell us that there's this OTHER god called Satan who is SO powerful he
could corrupt your beloved creation and you just let it happen?"
Ok to start with, it is called generational curses. IF YOU want to know
more about the our religion and God then the one you claim does not
exist then please start researching! Dig deep! Maybe then you will find
the answers to your questions. If it calls for to much work for you to
go out of you way to prove that God does not exist then i guess you
really dont mean it. Other wise what effort are you doing other then
spouting questions that can be answered in our religion?
The children were effected by a generational curse. (something i
suffered from but was healed.) In our Bible, Jesus saw a blind man from
birth and his followers asked what he or his parents do that caused him
to be blind. When Jesus said niether they did not understand. So why
children suffer it is because generational curses can be placed on the
family up to 7 generations down, also blessings can be placed on the
family for the generations. (mine happened to be anger, skin sores,
sexual immorality, and lying.) When you do such things then your
children see them and it is passed even futher since they have commited
the crime.
"Why do you let your fans condemn anyone who doesn't act the way they
think they should? Do you really hate homosexuality? If so, why are
humans and other animals even capable of it?"
It is called human will. God gave each and every one us a human brain.
He let us think for our selves. Here is a question for you....i dont
know if you have kids or if you even want them...but if you do/want kids
would you want them to get up every morning and cook you breakfast
because you demanded it for love? or would you apperciate and love it
more when they did it out of there own free will? That is why God gave
us a mind to think. He wanted us to follow him on our own not force us.
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| Come on, NJ, seriously??????? You haven't answered the
question at all. WHY? Why would a god who loves his/her creation put
CURSES on children for something someone ELSE did? That's disgusting.
And if you were HEALED, NJ, why won't your god heal babies dying of
cancer? Why won't he save little girls from being abducted, raped, and
murdered? Why YOU?
I wouldn't command my children to cook me breakfast. They're
CHILDREN and shouldn't use the stove. (Okay, I admit that mine are grown
now, but I'm trying to show the analogy between what humans must be like
compared to an all-knowing supreme being.) And then again, I wouldn't
put curses on my children for something their great, great, great
grandfather did, or let them be murdered when I could stop it.
If God wants us to follow him, perhaps he should lead BY EXAMPLE! |
Received 02/24/2010 from: nj
Subject: About that
comments: "That's the whole point, people! If you have to believe it,
something fishy is going on. And rationalists will always choose to
refrain from "belief." We either know it, through hard, cold, ruthlessly
objective FACTS, or we don't know. But we certainly won't believe it
just because some other people (especially other people who wrote ages
ago) said it."
Last time i checked some one had to "believe" that the light will turn
on when you flicked the switch. Because it is not possible that the
light will be blown out? So how is that fact?
Define FACT:
Information that has been objectively verified.
www.teaching.state.pa.us/a_and_t/lib/a_and_t/Science_Glossary.doc
So by that definition you KNOW, because you verified, that the light
WILL turn on because you flicked the switch. There is NO possible way
that the bulb could be blown out or for some strange reason is does not
work.
Do tell me...Why in the world do you fight so hard to prove some thing
that does not exist? If it does not exist what does it matter?
i look forward to your response
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Huh?
I don't have to "believe" that the light will turn on when I flip the
switch. In fact, I don't believe it. Plenty of times it doesn't come on
and I have to figure out if the bulb is burnt out, or maybe there's a
switch turned off so the lamp won't come on. But I "expect" the light to
come on because I know how lights and electricity work and from a LOT of
EXPERIENCE in turning lights on and off.I really have no clue
what you're saying about "someone having to believe" the light would
turn on. What does that mean? What does this mean: "Because it is not
possible that the light will be blown out?" Can you please explain
exactly what you're trying to say?
What does the definition of "fact" have to do with my expectations
of a light turning on when I flip the switch?
As to your more important comment, I do not fight hard to prove
something does not exist. And I do not have to prove gods don't exist.
I'm just expressing myself, my frustration with religion, with
stupidity, and with sloppy writing skills. I don't really care what you
or anyone else believes, as long as you don't try to tell me and other
people that it's factual, or even sensible.
There's nothing at all wrong with fighting for reason, clarity,
logic, truth, and honesty. Nothing wrong with that at all.
As to the second part of your comment: It matters because there
are really stupid people in the world trying to control the freedoms of
people who don't believe what they believe. There are Muslims murdering
women because they don't live by a ridiculous religious code. There are
people in government thwarting the rights of freethinkers and attempting
to impose a Christian theocracy on us.
Those things are worth ranting about, and fighting against. |
Received 02/24/2010 from: Jessica
Subject: Not a christian? WELCOME! Christians come be challenged!
comments: Here is a point to ponder.....IF the people (christians) claim
there was a man named Jesus and his teachings were false then why did so
many of his followers die? Looking at history and ONLY history (because
even historians will say) that the claimed "apostles" died for believing
in this man. Most of them were even totured. I believe even the one
named "John" was the one who hung up side down on the cross because he
felt unworthy of dieing the same way then his messiah. SO here is my
question to all.....Would YOU lie about something and PURPOSEFULLY be
tortured for it? for instance, say you claimed the sky was purple. would
you still defend your point if you were cut on your arms, legs, and
other bodly memebers, as well as beat, thrown out into the streets and
shamed for it? Now i can under stand if this was one man (heck there are
many a lunitics out there) but for so many to agree upon one man and
still go threw that? I wish to inquire more information as i do my
research so i welcome ALL points of view.
thank you for time
sincerly
Jessica |
Jessica,
Thank you for your interesting comments.
1. The Bible is not a history book. So, looking at ONLY history, we
can't say whether or not these so-called apostles existed, much less
died in the way the stories claim.
2. Supposing the stories are true, who ever said that the followers of
Jesus knew his teachings were false? No. Clearly these people truly
believed what they believed and believed it so wholeheartedly they were
willing to die for their freedom to believe it and preach it. Did the
woman who murdered her children because she thought she was saving them
from Satan and sending them to heaven know she was deluded? No! People
will do all sorts of things because they "believe" something is true.
3. This makes your question "to all" a straw man. It has nothing to do
with believing something and dying for it. |
Received 02/17/2010 from: Marci
Subject: Another secular curriculum resource
comments: Great web site!
Just wanted to add another resource to your list of REAL secular
curriculum. I've been using Intellego Unit Studies for the past 8
months. They offer both a unit study aproach as well as core curriculum
based on the Core Knowledge Series by E.D. Hirsch. Rigorous, fun,
hands-on, and not dumbed down by any means! They are web based and all
of the links are maintained so they remain active. It's been great for
my kids because Intellego links to videos, online games, interactive web
sites, as well as reading, writing and discussion and hands-on
experiments and projects. And clearly secular -- world history units
teach evolution, that sort of approach.
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Received 02/08/2010 from paco:
Subject: wrong
Listen the power of prayer is strong just because people prayed for the
cell phone dosent mean they also cant pray for hati it dosent say in the
bible thou shall pray for one thing...No it says trust in God and he
will bless you...And if he dosent answer a prayer it just means you dont
need whatever you asked for in your life...Like i said god will bless
you if you believe in him...A blessing is a helping hand not a take
everything and do nothing gift.. |
| So, you're saying that the girl who prayed to God for protection
at Columbine just before that kid blew her brains out didn't need
saving? God blesses you if you believe in him? Right. He blesses you
while the rapist/murderer tortures you to death. He blesses the little
children while their step-dads are dunking their heads in the toilet.
Right. I get it. |
Recieved 02/08/2010 from Kaya:
Subject: thank god! lol
I thought is was just me! why I am having such a hard time
swapping books with my fellow home-schoolers? The last straw
happened when I read a hippies were like satanist in one of the
book I bought. I was in shock! So I began my search for like
minded home school moms.
Thanks for creating this site. |
| I'm glad you found me! |
| Received 02/07/2010 from anonymous: the bible says
to pray about everything no matter how little but remember to be open to
God's answer whether it is yes no or wait :) |
| I'm not sure but I think this comment may refer to
my posts about my friend's cell phone. I guess the answer was no. (see
blog) I added a subject line to the form in the hopes that future
comments will be more clear. |
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